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Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-01-2020, 11:37 AM
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Views: 7,194
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Re: Quote from today's Witness/Watchman Wednesday

The whole quote harshes my mellow. I'm trying to see where there is one Biblical thing in this teaching that Nee says we "have to" and "must" do.

The focus on having authority is the wrong focus,...
Forum: Alternative Views - Click Here to Start New Thread 06-27-2020, 01:15 AM
Replies: 98
Views: 438
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Re: Boxjobox on modalism

BJB, you mentioned "trinitarian influence" a few posts prior. I just finished reading Matthew again today and toward the end of it is Matthew 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-26-2020, 09:46 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 6,149
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Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

Calling on the Lord is practiced in a few different ways in the LC, which I vaguely touched upon in my last post.

"Oh Lord Jesus" is a very common way they begin to pray: "Oh Lord Jesus, we love...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-26-2020, 04:28 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 6,149
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Re: LordsRecovery.Org Exposing the Christian Cult of Witness Lee's Local Ch

Unto, I'm a little lost. Is your question related to the "Oh" part of "Oh Lord/Jesus?"

If someone says "call your mom to dinner".....most people would yell "MOM!" If someone says "call on...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 06-25-2020, 01:04 PM
Replies: 89
Views: 6,149
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Re: Jacob Howard: O Lord Three Times - The False Gospel of Witness Lee

I know this was taught and is also in print, but my experience (and it's just that, my personal experience) is that this is not a "prevalent" teaching that has seeped all through the LC. The...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-21-2020, 12:34 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

My little observation is, I think, a minor point in this whole thread, but just for the sake of clarifying what I said.....my main thrust is the co-equal thing.

The Holy Spirit is God, there is a...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-20-2020, 12:28 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

Such is the power of cult mind control. It makes people, who are otherwise intelligent and discerning in areas outside the cult, turn off their rational thought inside of it. May God have mercy on...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-20-2020, 12:24 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

Yeah, that's more where I'm settling on currently too, with a "this may be an incomplete understanding" caveat.

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you [the Father], the only true...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-20-2020, 10:03 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

The whispers I have heard about Benson is that his mental cognition is on the decline. I don't think he's mastering much of anything anymore.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-19-2020, 04:30 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle Paul!...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-17-2020, 01:37 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

I'd personally like to see the outline Ron is reading from. This clip makes it look like the outline itself is about Witness Lee.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-17-2020, 11:56 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

Listened to the whole clip. From the shorter clip I didn't understand what Ron meant when he said "where do you have to go in church history to find a match". What match? Match of what?

After...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-16-2020, 08:15 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 635
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Re: Being in this Cult is one of the Worst things that Happened in my Life!

As a fellow church kid, I both sympathize and am also speechless at what you've described. Prayer for any family to break apart is not prayer, it's a curse. God is not for the destruction of...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-16-2020, 06:00 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

I kinda just wonder if this is their way of trying to increase the fervor of devotion. I just don't recall this level of slavering over Nee and Lee in previous years. Is this all they know to do to...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-16-2020, 03:53 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 940
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Re: Ron Kangas says Witness Lee is the greatest apostle since the apostle P

His speaking doesn't even line up with their own MOTA doctrine. The MOTA is (according to them) the person in each age that releases the vision of that age. For Ron to describe Lee as "a certain...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 06-16-2020, 10:46 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 636
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Re: Young Believer's Testimony still in Local Church

Different localities are different in various ways; some are less pushy. From my experience, home meetings are typically positive too.



Satan's downfall was wanting to be like God and be God....
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-11-2020, 10:19 AM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

John 8:14-19
14 Jesus replied, “Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I am going. But you do not know where I came from or where I am...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-10-2020, 07:32 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

Maybe I'm missing something, but is not:

1. Son
2. Father
3. image
4. when you see me you see him
5. when i speak it's his words
6. etc....

...in other words, all those things I had in my...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-10-2020, 02:26 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

I might be conflicted, but wouldn't consider it "in conflict with myself". And I would never describe one of the conflicted "parties" as "my son", that's for sure. That's multiple personalities...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-10-2020, 08:01 AM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

Just thinking out loud here, but I think the very words Father and Son do a good job of showing they are not the same.

God chose to use the words "father" and "son" in the Bible to best describe...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 06-09-2020, 08:09 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 883
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Re: It's about life

Question:

When we refer to "life" (Gk., zoe, specifically) in this way, what exactly are we talking about?

Are we talking about the eternal life that we have and can rest assured knowing it is...
Forum: Orthopraxy - Christian Practice 06-09-2020, 10:52 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 883
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Re: It's about life

I think a few things....

"the sense of life and peace" is not something we follow. We follow the Spirit. And the mind governed by the Spirit IS life and peace. How is it IS? No idea. But...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-08-2020, 12:37 PM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,846
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Re: Responsibility Of Christians In Responding To Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Bullies are abusive. Malignant narcissists are abusive. There's nothing to distinguish.

Narcissistic personality disorder, or abusive narcissism, is not "the worst smear", but an actual...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 06-08-2020, 08:49 AM
Replies: 58
Views: 1,846
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Re: Responsibility Of Christians In Responding To Aberrant/Abusive Groups

Curious's post actually has great merit, and is true. It is well known that narcissists (not the generic "looks in a mirror all the time", but as a known personality disorder/type with detrimental...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 06-04-2020, 06:24 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,257
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Re: Modalism

Just as another example of this, John 17:3 says "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Him whom You have sent, Jesus Christ."

Once again, only Father and Son. ...
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