Originally Posted by Ohio

Officially LSM would disagree. They only quarantine leaders. Divisive leaders.

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is why they can justify lawsuits and "local replastering workshops." LSM views all the local saints in the local churches as unwilling "victims." They just can't believe that anyone would willingly depart from "the ministry."

Originally Posted by Ohio

Originally Posted by Paul Cox

With Paul, whenever he had a disagreement or dispute with another worker there always seemed to be an obvious door left open for fellowship. He wasn't into banishing people forever. Even with the young man at Corinth, his purpose was for temporary discipline, with the hope that the young man would repent, which he did.

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Isn't there one really big difference between the 2006 and 2009 quarantines (Great Lakes Area and South America), and the quarantines of the 1980's? That is, instead of just "quarantining" three or four leaders, LSM specifically ejected many churches with thousands of members.

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Ah, so maybe this is where Paul quarantined James, when he warned the Galatians against the bewitching Jewdaizers!

Originally Posted by Ohio

And when other leaders are abused by TC, we should give TC a free pass, because after all he was the "real victim" here.

And when other leaders are abused by TC, then where should that be posted? What am I doing wrong here guys?

Originally Posted by Ohio

Not really.

They simply looked to headquarters in Jerusalem for their teachings and practices, because they were taught that the original apostles were there.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, the foolish Galatians have willingly chosen to be put in bondage again.

Originally Posted by Ohio

So .... if TC had been funded by the Anaheim "workers fund," as JM was funded by the Cleveland "workers fund," then possibly TC may not have been officially quarantined, but rather merely had his funds "cut off" as happened to JM.

The point being this: all LC "discipline" is bogus in nature. It misdirects the real focus of the saints onto supposedly spiritual topics, when the pressing issues at hand, however, are control and "insubordination," or as Paul so eloquently communicated to the Galatian believers, the real issues are bondage to the laws mandated by headquarters and the liberty of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The point is not that TC was righteous, only that the basis for excommunication was bogus.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And when other leaders are abused by TC, we should give TC a free pass, because after all he was the "real victim" here.

And when other leaders are abused by TC, then where should that be posted? What am I doing wrong here guys?

Originally Posted by rayliotta

I don't disagree, however, why the focus on Titus Chu? Weren't the real victims the thousands of individual members (it is in the thousands, right, Ohio?) who've had their lives affected by the "feuding religious lords"?

Originally Posted by rayliotta

I don't disagree, however, why the focus on Titus Chu? Weren't the real victims the thousands of individual members (it is in the thousands, right, Ohio?) who've had their lives affected by the "feuding religious lords"?

Originally Posted by Paul Cox

Titus Chu was a victim, albeit not so innocent. He certainly has flaws. After all, he likes soft hotel sheets (ha ha)....

Originally Posted by Ohio

I personally feel that the "intimidation factor" is the primary cause of GLA splintering. Once the grip of fear and intimidation is removed, then the split comes quite quickly, like a bird released from a cage, flying afar, never to return.

It seems to me that TC's recent treatment of John Myer awakened many GLA leaders to the fact that TC was not an "innocent victim" during the whole quarantine ordeal, neither did TC have an inside track on the truth.

Originally Posted by OBW

In the case of JM, it mostly means that he is no longer cow-towing to those who would intimidate, and therefore expects to continue eventually.

Originally Posted by OBW

In the case of JM, it mostly means that he is no longer cow-towing to those who would intimidate, and therefore expects to continue eventually.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I recently heard that John Myer does intend to finish this book.

Originally Posted by rayliotta

So does this mean, that neither JM nor DR were actually "intimidated" by anybody from finishing their books?

Originally Posted by Ohio

I recently heard that John Myer does intend to finish this book.

Originally Posted by Igzy

So you are saying either he has lost interest in the book, or he got intimidated by LSM. I doubt the latter since the partial book is still online.

I think at the very least he should update his website with a note saying the anticipated date of release of the next chapter is "indefinite." Anything less just looks sloppy to me and raises doubts. Surely he isn't so busy he can't at least do that.

Originally Posted by awareness

So write to John Myer directly, and tell him how disappointed you are in him for not keeping his promise to finish his book....

Originally Posted by Igzy

What you are saying is false. It shows an ignorance of history. The Catholic church was the curator of history and knowledge in the Middle Ages. It basically created Europe. Without the Catholic church Europe might still be a region of Vandals and Visigoths, living in mud huts.

Religion has its faults but your continual sweeping denunciation of it is no different than Lee's sweeping denunciation of "Christianity." It's an extreme view, and a damaging one. I think it's become a crutch for you. You are like a religion hating addict. So much so that you confuse healthy moral habits with religion. You confuse expecting people to honor their obligations with placing burdens on them. You confuse standards with legalism. You confuse lack of responsibility with freedom.

Originally Posted by Igzy

Harold, if everyone lived up to your standard we'd all still be living in mud huts.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Word is out that, that LSM/DCP has begun to aggressively research litigation against opposing internet websites. They now have an idle staff since the US Supreme Court shut them down. Who knows what will happen to these websites and forums already in existence.

Originally Posted by Igzy

So you are saying either he has lost interest in the book, or he got intimidated by LSM. I doubt the latter since the partial book is still online.

Originally Posted by awareness

Why shouldn't John Myer be allowed to wonder or wander? John's a free man. And there's no need for him to live up to our expectations, nor the expectations of the Living Stream Ministry church leaders. The opinions and expectations of the leaders of LSM matter no more than that of the almost 7 billion others on the earth. At most they are just background noise, like a chainsaw in the background, that's annoying but has to be tolerated.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Things changed when John Myer got expelled by TC from "the work" serving the remaining GLA churches. He lost some of his financial support, and had to focus his time and resources on what the Lord had placed in front of him...

Originally Posted by UntoHim