Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

For ex- LC members who may wish to read up more on The Hankadox mess, I’ve put the posts in order. There are various links with supporting information. Be aware that CRI changed their doctrinal statement in response to criticism in my posts so that the links to their doctrinal statement refer to the new on since they didn’t change the url. In a later post I link to the original from the waybackmachine.

Eventually, all of the files and documents pooled from many former employees will be put up on a separate stand alone site rather than my personal blog.
Should you have any questions or have information requests, please feel free to contact me.

https://energeticprocession.wordpres...el-answer-man/ The Babel Answer Man
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...ox-intermezzo/ A Hankadox Intermezzo
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...ith-frederica/ Footsies with Frederica
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...utionary-show/ The Orthodox Subversive on the Orthodox Revolutionary Show
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...martin-morgan/ A Response to Cindee Martin Morgan
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...nk-hanegraaff/ My Meeting with Hank Hanegraaff
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...his-para-rock/ Upon This Para-Rock
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...of-my-enemies/ A Table in the Presence of My Enemies
https://energeticprocession.wordpres...water-gave-me/ What the Water Gave Me

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

Yeah, I am not sure that that is true. Hank doesn't extend relations to others in this way unless he thinks it is going to be profitable. I'd bet money that there were private discussions before any public meetings, which is Hank's typical MO. This is what he did with Set Free, which is how he got caught with Phil Aguilar recording the phone conversation and then using it to blackmail Hank.

I'd wager that the LC was influencing PY for some time and got him to move Hank in that direction. And I am sure Hank recognized the profitability of such a relationship as well.

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Acolyte4236, Paul Young did not get involved with the LC first; HH did--through CRI's "research project." They have both testified to the story in many LC venues. During the dialogue, HH befriended LC leaders and started getting further and further involved. Paul Young did become a member, but this was after the process had already started. Young's earlier encounters with Witness Lee/the LC are merely a footnote.

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

That said, I think the LC influence is coming directly from Paul Young who is on the CRI board and an LC member. It seems clear to me, either Paul Young cares about selling lots of books or he has really drunk a lot of LC kool-aid.

Originally Posted by Koinonia

According to what I have heard, this book was never published (in English or Chinese), and was likely never written (or finished).

LC leaders had introduced HH to the concept of "deification" (theosis) through the teachings of Witness Lee. Over time, HH became more and more enthralled with this teaching. Wanting to learn more, a few years ago, he sought out a meeting with Eastern Orthodox leaders in NYC (HH has spoken about this publicly, on one of his radio shows). These encounters eventually led to his aligning himself with Eastern Orthodoxy (instead of the LC). Ironically, LC leaders pointed HH to Eastern Orthodoxy, and then HH rejected the LC in favor of it.

This the way I understand it.

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

I also lived at Brookhurts & Ball, which at the time had the LSM across the street. I ran into LC folks semi-regularly. I was generally familiar with them.

Originally Posted by Koinonia

According to what I have heard, this book was never published (in English or Chinese), and was likely never written (or finished).

LC leaders had introduced HH to the concept of "deification" (theosis) through the teachings of Witness Lee. Over time, HH became more and more enthralled with this teaching. Wanting to learn more, a few years ago, he sought out a meeting with Eastern Orthodox leaders in NYC (HH has spoken about this publicly, on one of his radio shows). These encounters eventually led to his aligning himself with Eastern Orthodoxy (instead of the LC). Ironically, LC leaders pointed HH to Eastern Orthodoxy, and then HH rejected the LC in favor of it.

This the way I understand it.

Originally Posted by Nell

It’s “out of print”, limited availability. I can’t find a way to purchase.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Acolyte, it has long been suspected by former members of the LC's that CRI's "We Were Wrong" was bought and paid for by LSM. Hank needed money and LSM needed credibility.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is this the book you are referring to:

The Authentic Christian Life

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is this the book you are referring to:

The Authentic Christian Life

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

As to HH sitting in many LSM trainings and such, can anyone here provide documentation?

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

What I am looking for is something very specific. The following book by HH was set to come out in 2014. The book has all the markings of a coming out of the LC closet announcement. But the book was yanked prior to going to market. It was set to release in China and the US simultaneously. The book is currently being reworked by HH as a book covering his conversion to Orthodoxy.

I can’t find a copy of the book in English, but it is possible it was released or some copies were in China. I want to know if anyone here has contacts there and would know if copies are to be had, even if they are in Chinese.

Originally Posted by Acolyte4236

Thanks all for the reply.

Since I lived through a portion of the debacle at CRI and I know the majority of players, I am well aware of Hanegraaff’s unethical behavior. For what it may be worth, in terms of bona fides, I also personally knew Bob and Gretchen Passantino along with many others.

Originally Posted by Koinonia

acolyte4236, Hanegraaff was indeed the darling of the LC for a number of years, and there was much discussion about the possibility of his joining the group. He attended many LSM conferences and trainings, visited the FTTA, numerous LC congregations around the world, and was very close to a few of the senior leadership.