Originally Posted by UntoHim

https://archive.org/details/ReligionVersusReality

This link was posted back a couple of years ago and it is a service Max Rapoport spoke at in a church in Corona California (near Riverside)

The church seems to be some sort of Charismatic non-denominational fellowship. At the point of this recording, Febuary of 2008, Max and Sandee had been members there for 5 years or so. Upon looking at their website, Max is not listed in the church staff directory.

http://www.newhopefwc.com/home.html


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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi everyone. My name is Jessica and I am one of Max Rapoport's daughters. My daughter was doing a search on her grandpa's name out of curiosity and came across this thread. I feel to add to it for posterity sake so that someone who actually was there and knew him has a voice in this conversation. There are many speculations as well as half-truths and downright liesregarding my father. No one really needs to speculate because my father was his own worst critic and always owned up to his mistakes. He is passed on now and when he died had no unforgiveness or ill will towards anyone. He continue to serve the Lord every single day of his life until the day he died. He is a wonderful example of God's grace, mercy and redemption. The whole "local church experience" affected our parents obviously negatively at first because people were praying for our deaths and harassing us. As a child the things that stood out to me the most were having paint thrown at our door, threatening phone calls, and being told by friends that they weren't allowed to play with us because we "were at the devil" . These were "my experiences " after we left the LC I am so grateful to God that he liberated my parents from that organization because I know of what has happened to the children about their members and their families and often times these are sad stories to hear. Our family stayed intact and my parents continue to serve the Lord . These two things are their greatest achievements in my book. Furthermore, all of their children have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ another great achievement which they have always been so grateful to the Lord for. It is a free country with free speech but I do ask that if you are going to speak about my parents, keep in mind that their grandchildren and great grandchildren and so on will read these comments possibly some day. So please only speak about your own experience and don't suppose about what you didn't personally experience. Thank you so much and May Jesus bless you all.

Originally Posted by Nell

Hi Jessica,

Welcome to the forum and thank you so much for your words of testimony and truth. Please accept my condolences on the recent passing of your father.

I know someone who spent some time with your parents several years ago in their home, and she came away with the same impression that you have stated above. I didn't know your parents personally, but I did hear your Dad speak many times. I have to say, he was such a personality, larger than life! And that sense of humor! My! My! My! Don't tell anybody, but I would much rather hear "Max" speak than Lee.

My friend also testified and can confirm what you said that your parents had no bitterness toward anyone, though there was certainly awful things said and done to them.

Again, thank you for adding your voice to this topic and I'm so sorry for your loss.

Blessings to the Rapoport Family--
Nell

Originally Posted by Unregistered

BTW, I was one of the first to leave the Colorado migration...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

the living stream ministry is broadcast on 740 am radio... during week at 11 am... the last I heard of max was when attended a meeting in riverside, California along with peter ross and other remembers of the lc from the 70's..

Originally Posted by UntoHim

As far as John Ingalls is concerned, he has been meeting in Westminster California with "Church Assembly in Westminster" since the mid 1990's I believe. The church is composed of mostly former LC members and leaders. I know that Ken Unger was there for many years. Ken passed away in July of 2012. I have been to a few of their meetings over the years and found that Ingalls et al have really never "moved on". Everything is the same as the Local Church except they don't used materials with Witness Lee's name on them. Obviously LSM with never allow "the rebels" to have use of any of their copyrighted materials.

Last I heard, John was in very frail health, and I noted that a website that was started by a church member has not been updated in a year or so.
Here's the link to that website:
http://caiw.blogspot.com/[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Lee and LSM have never reconciled with anyone.

And that is God's sovereignty?

Originally Posted by Terry

It's been said of Witness Lee's unwillingness to reconcile with Max, "God is sovereign."

Originally Posted by Ohio

JJ, I joined the church in Cleveland 2 years before Max departed. Much has been written about Max on this forum. At one point his daughter posted on the board. Here's the Cliff's Notes version:

Max was gifted salesman, turned evangelist, and groomed by Lee. With the new start of LSM (Stream Publishers ended) in Anaheim on Ball Road, Max was promoted to heir apparent and the "Universal Coordinator of the One New Man." Lee used Max to travel to the LC's, disrupting them, and shaking up their leadership with the goal of bringing all the saints under his dominion. Max signaled the end of "local churches," and the beginning of the "one body," code words for LSM maneuvers.

Lee used Max like a pawn, taking advantage of his talents and relative Christian immaturity. Max was morally upright, however, and confronted Phillip Lee in a restaurant about his affair at the new LSM office under construction. To avoid family embarrassment, Lee shamed Max's wife publicly, an old Chinese custom, while Max was out of town doing Lee's bidding. Lee called it the "sisters' rebellion." With Lee's takeover plans hitting a pothole, he dumped Max, blaming everything on him, and came out smelling like a rose.

Later on after he departed, Max repented, realizing he was used and discarded by Lee, and returned to his First Love. Apparently, the Lord did restor his ministry. Lee, however, never took any responsibility for his actions. Phillip later surfaced to create more chaos, expel elders and workers, molest more female "interns" at LSM, create a money-making enterprise, and bring all the saints under subjection.

Originally Posted by JJ

I came in to TLR right after brother Max R exited. The saints in my locality were happy he was gone, saying they had been doing some "Tom Foolery" while he was leading.

From this clip, it is clear he loves the Lord and His word. He has a big presense like a few other brothers still in TLR, but seems somewhat humbled.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

https://archive.org/details/ReligionVersusReality

This link was posted back a couple of years ago and it is a service Max Rapoport spoke at in a church in Corona California (near Riverside)

The church seems to be some sort of Charismatic non-denominational fellowship. At the point of this recording, Febuary of 2008, Max and Sandee had been members there for 5 years or so. Upon looking at their website, Max is not listed in the church staff directory.

http://www.newhopefwc.com/home.html


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Originally Posted by James B

I thank God for Max and Sandee, and hope they are still standing strong for the Lord, or have been restored from any wounds they may have received along their journey.

If anyone knows where they are, please post their contact information.

Thanks,
James B

Originally Posted by Ohio

John Ingalls was a "rebellious, conspiratorial, and ambitious" brother who contracted a rare and highly contagious form of "leprosy."

If I were such an evil person, would you give me any grace? Would you even visit or talk to me? I doubt if you would even dare send me an email.

I understand that Max Rapoport was even worse than John Ingalls.

Originally Posted by NewManLiving

Today I am confident that He will complete the work
He has begun in me until the day of His appearing. I enjoy Him and love
Him so much more now then at any other time of my life. I see my High
Priest sitting at the right hand of the Father interceding for me to save
Me to the uttermost for His glorious Kingdom. I see a Christ who loved me
And mercifully pulled me out of my own vomit. I can honestly say that my
Past life may have been more sinful than what Max reveals about himself
I fell back into the world head first after leaving the movement. Each decade
Became worse and worse until I was close to death. Then one day a few years
Ago The Lord came to me.

My dear sweet loving Lord I love you with my soul. I present my body
To you as a living sacrifice for you to will and do in me for your good
Pleasure
NML

Originally Posted by NewManLiving

Concerning Max: What do you see? A used Jesus salesman, or
a broken man with a contrite spirit who loves The Lord with incorruptible
Love. I guess that answer would depend on the condition of our own
Hearts and our own relationship to The Lord

Take a look at the community archive and judge for yourself. Have not
Seen the link here so I am assuming there is no other thread with this link

https://archive.org/details/ReligionVersusReality

Originally Posted by HERn

I was told that he wanted to become the "Coordinator of the One New Man" and was ambitious?

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Originally Posted by OBW

And guess what. We are now part of the thing they despise and ridicule. Do we simply return the favor? Or do we provide the evidence for them to see their own errors and at least decide for themselves rather than just closing their eyes and never knowing there is a scriptural and reasoned support for those who disagree with them.?

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Originally Posted by Terry

Really Ohio, the LSM practice of grace can be summed up as "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. " (Luke 6:32)

Those of you who may have been involved in carpentry, have you ever tried to hammer a nail into a knot?

Originally Posted by Ohio

If I were such an evil person, would you give me any grace? Would you even visit or talk to me? I doubt if you would even dare send me an email.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Originally Posted by Ohio

John Ingalls was a "rebellious, conspiratorial, and ambitious" brother who contracted a rare and highly contagious form of "leprosy."

If I were such an evil person, would you give me any grace? Would you even visit or talk to me? I doubt if you would even dare send me an email.

I understand that Max Rapoport was even worse than John Ingalls.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Originally Posted by Terry

Even now the current LSM/LC leaders have not given John nor many of the former elders grace.

Originally Posted by Terry

I wonder what is meant by never "moved on". If it's because of the format, I see it's logical have met that way since the 60's. Many former LC members might have trouble meetings any other way where there's no opportunity for anyone to speak with the exception of a pastor and a select few.

Originally Posted by UntoHim