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Originally Posted by Dave There was a book written in 1972, "The Ecclesiology of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee" by James Mo-Oi Cheung which provides a considerable amount of information of the history of the Little Flock under Nee and the transition to Lee. Certainly we would all disagree with some of the things written but what was clear...Witness Lee and company were heretical in transition...what I mean by that is they would propagate certain doctrines which were not scriptural and then change them as they were exposed. There were also a considerable number of problems with his teachings before he even stepped on US soil. Cheung writes, "As Watchman Nee has become the symbol of unity in earlier days, Witness Lee has become the symbol of controversy and disunity." (p. 153) The Rev. Elisha Wu wrote, "The Little Flock Engages in the Struggle to Correct Heresy". Chan Tse Shin wrote, "An Open Letter to the Saints of the Assembly in Hong Kong....in the past decade Witness Lee and those who follow him have deviated substantially from the true light we saw and the spiritual path on which we walked....Their teachings have ...now become...heresies. They not only embrace these heretical ideas themselves but also effectively persuade the saints everywhere to accept them." (p. 156) There was a long list of "alleged" heresies of WL compared to what Nee taught as the true light in separate columns.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Following publication of the book THE ECCLESIOLOGY OF WATCHMAN NEE AND WITNESS LEE by James Mo-Oi Cheung, we received personal visits and letters from associates of Witness Lee who asserted that he does not hold or teach some of the views that were attributed to him in the book. Accordingly, C.L.C. [Christian Literature Crusade] as publisher has taken the following actions:

1) Eight days after the book was first offered for sale, we removed the appendix in toto and rebound the remaining stock because of material in the appendix that we could not substantiate in light of the new information. 2) In mid-February we stopped all further sale of the book when it was brought to our attention that material which we could not substantiate was present in the body of the book as well. 3) We wrote a letter of apology to Mr. Witness Lee regarding imputations of heresy, etc., that the book contained. 4) We suspended publication of a revised and corrected edition of the book. 5) We issued a recall, for full credit, of all copies of the book sold. 6) We agreed that C.L.C. would not publish a revised edition of the book.

We feel that we owe all parties interested in this publication a fuller explanation of the reasons for the actions detailed above. The following statement is intended to be the vehicle by which the author and publisher acknowledge that items in the areas mentioned below should not, for lack of supporting evidence, have appeared in the book. At the same time we do not mean to suggest that all believers would agree to all the teachings of Witness Lee and his associates. Assertions by associates of Witness Lee that the book misrepresents him with respect to doctrine fall in these general areas:

1) Imputations of heresy to Witness Lee specifically in reference to his views on the blood of Jesus and the person and nature of Jesus Christ. 2) The claim that in matters of doctrine Witness Lee differs substantially from the views of Watchman Nee (differences are evidently much narrower than suggested by the book). 3) The inference that Witness Lee resorts to deliberate "twisting of Scripture" or "misuse of the Word." 4) The allegation that Witness Lee holds to a strict "baptismal regeneration" view of baptism.
In addition, the authorship of the book THE GLORIOUS CHURCH was incorrectly attributed to Witness Lee, whereas the author was in fact Watchman Nee. We want it to be known that it is not our policy to disseminate material concerning any person or persons that is known to be inaccurate. We sincerely regret feelings of offense created by the publication of this book, as well as any inconvenience caused by it subsequent recall and termination.

Sincerely in Christ, CHRISTIAN LITERATURE CRUSADE
A. Donald Fredlund Publications Secretary
James Mo-Oi Cheung Author
April 19, 1973

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Originally Posted by Igzy Friedel, Where did you get the idea that no one is going on with the Lord here? I didn't really start growing as a Christian until I dumped many of the LC ideas. I have a very rich Christian life. And I'm really a very nice guy. To quote one of my favorite lines, If I had any friends, they'd tell you what a nice guy I am.

"My considered conclusion was that it is impossible to function as a Christian after the Local Church and the only option is to be cynical, bitter, angry and a skeptic."

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Originally Posted by OBW I've read everything. You have been busy repeating the substitutions that you learned from Lee. All the way back where you declared "ministering Christ" to be the equivalent of loving your neighbor. That sounds spiritual, but it is a far cry from being a singular substitute. But what I see in your responses on virtually every topic is a position that repeats the things that Lee has said but does not have any idea how to show them as actually coming from the scripture. That means you are not speaking from knowledge of any kind, but are simply repeating what you have been taught. And what you have been taught is not really found in the scripture. Lee convinced us that it was, but upon closer inspection, there is too often nothing there that looks anything like what he said. I discovered that being in the LRC was a mistake. A really big one. I cannot even convince myself that the "better" early days were really any better. Just not as aware of the nonsense that I was being fed.

"That is impossible to do. How can you still enjoy the ministry of Witness Lee; how can you even read it? He was a charlatan and a fraud. He abused the truths of the Bible and made up his own doctrine. He invented phrases and teachings that are unbiblical. He damaged the lives of many people through his cronies and crowd of yes-men. He sacrificed some of his closest former coworkers so that he could create hi own empire. You cannot pretend that you still find something of note in his books. How are you supposed to deny yourself? It appears only once or twice in the Bible." And more more things.

1. Get a lot of dispensing.
2. Those who are not doing have not gotten their dispensing.

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Originally Posted by Igzy Here's another question about Witness Lee as a minister to be revered and honored. If he really was such a great minister, then how did he go so far off the reservation? Either he didn't go off, and we are in error, or he never was that great of a minister in the first place.

1. Lee thought more highly of himself than he ought, almost to the point of megalomania. He convinced his minions that he was the acting god, the oracle, the minister of the age, today's apostle Paul, the deputy authority of God, etc. Pride preceded the fall, as they say.
2. Lee forgot how to treat others. He condemned all outsiders, and abused many insiders. He could preach love, but practiced the ministry of condemnation. His lawsuits and threats of lawsuits numbered into the dozens. He had no peers, and could not work along side anyone.
3. Lee was unrighteous, and covered his unrighteousness instead of repenting and trusting God. Lee "stoned" all the prophets God sent to him, smeared their reputations, branded them rebellious lepers, and accused them of a conspiratorial coup d'etat. He put his profligate sons, Phillip and Timothy, over God and his people.