06-30-2025 03:32 PM |
bearbear |
Re: Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Breth
Interestingly, the doctrine of millennial exclusion—originally taught by Lang and Panton, who were part of the Open Brethren was later adopted by Witness Lee and Watchman Nee. However, this view is now nearly absent among contemporary Open Brethren, who, according to Wikipedia, tend to align with either Calvinism or a once-saved-always-saved form of Arminianism similar to Provisionism.
Millennial exclusion is the belief that apostate or disobedient believers, though still ultimately saved, may be excluded from participating in the millennial kingdom. In contrast, both Calvinism and Provisionism would typically classify such individuals as false converts or "tares"—that is, not truly saved at all.
It seems like, we in the Local Churches became stuck with flawed doctrines of salvation, while the Open Brethren were able to avoid them.
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Eternal security
Most of the Brethren pioneers such as Groves, Darby and Muller were convinced Calvinists. By the 1930s, however, a strong Arminian strain developed in many parts of the Brethren movement, especially in North America.[14] Today, it is common to find Brethren advocates for both theological systems, with the caveat that even those who embrace Arminianism in the main will still generally hold to the fifth point of Calvinism, which Brethren call the eternal security of the believer[15]—the doctrine that it is impossible for a true Christian to lose his or her salvation. Even today, it is rare to find a Brethren preacher or an official Brethren publication questioning this doctrine.
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06-27-2025 01:15 PM |
TLFisher |
Re: Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Breth
Don't forget the Local Church Movement and the Exclusive Brethren each claim the ground teaching. The Exclusive Brethren call it the one meeting place.
Where the Local Churches practice quarantining (officially or unofficially), the Exclusive Brethren practice excommunications. The late pastor at ERCC was one who had been excommunicated by the Exclusive Brethren. While alive I learned of the similarities from him regarding the Exclusive Brethren and the Local Churches.
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06-23-2025 01:57 PM |
Unregistered |
Re: Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Breth
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Originally Posted by ThankfulForever777
I wanted to share this comparison table below (generated by AI Grok).
We were taught that the Local Church / Lord’s Recovery was a continuation of the Plymouth Brethren, with the Brethren once representing the Philadelphia church before they declined and that the Lord raised Watchman Nee and Witness Lee to carry on the work.
However, I have learned that the Brethren, under John Nelson Darby’s leadership, evolved into a cult-like group characterized by strict central authority, isolation, and elitism.
It’s now clear to me that the Lord’s Recovery, under Nee and Lee, perpetuates this flawed legacy.
Comparison Table
Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Brethren
Aspect |
Local Church Movement (Nee/Lee) |
Exclusive Brethren |
Open Brethren |
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Leadership |
Centralized under Nee, then Lee; local churches follow “apostolic” leadership from key figures. |
Centralized; led by Darby and successors (e.g., James Taylor Sr./Jr.), with strong oversight. |
Decentralized; local elders lead autonomous assemblies, no central figure. |
Fellowship |
Selective fellowship; open to believers but exclusive to those accepting “one church per city” vision. |
Strict separation from other Christians, including Open Brethren, for doctrinal purity. |
Open fellowship with evangelicals, emphasizing unity on core beliefs. |
Church Governance |
Local churches autonomous but aligned with Nee/Lee’s teachings; centralized oversight by Lee later. |
Interconnected assemblies; decisions (e.g., excommunication) binding globally. |
Independent assemblies; local governance without external control. |
Theological Emphasis |
Modified dispensationalism; emphasis on “God’s economy,” Christ’s indwelling, and one church per city. |
Rigid dispensationalism, premillennialism; focus on ecclesiastical purity, separation. |
Flexible dispensationalism; broader evangelical theology, less dogmatic. |
Worship |
Expressive, with “pray-reading,” calling on the Lord; open to believers but structured by Lee’s model. |
Uniform, simple (breaking bread); restricted to members in fellowship. |
Simple, varied; open to other believers. |
Practices |
Moderately engaged; evangelistic but focused on building local churches, less cooperation with others. |
Insular; limited secular interaction, especially in stricter factions. |
Engaged; active in evangelism, missions, and cooperation with others. |
Missionary Work |
Significant; global expansion under Lee (e.g., U.S., Asia), but primarily to establish local churches. |
Limited; focused on maintaining Brethren communities. |
Extensive; global missions, often with other evangelicals. |
Response to Error |
Strict under Lee; excommunication for opposing “the ministry” or deviating from core teachings. |
Strict discipline; excommunication for error, often extending to associates. |
Lenient; local discipline, emphasis on restoration. |
Key Figures |
Watchman Nee (founder), Witness Lee (successor), with Lee shaping global spread. |
John Nelson Darby, James Taylor Sr./Jr. |
George Müller, Henry Craik, Robert Chapman. |
Historical Event |
Founded 1920s in China; split from denominations; Lee’s leadership post-1952 after Nee’s imprisonment. |
Advocated separation in 1848 Bethesda Controversy over Newton’s teachings. |
Supported inclusivity in 1848 Bethesda Controversy. |
Cult Accusations |
Faced accusations in 1970s–1980s, mainly under Lee, for authoritarian control, exclusivity, and unorthodox theology (e.g., “mingling”). Lawsuits against critics (e.g., Spiritual Counterfeits Project) won by Local Church, affirming orthodoxy. Scholars (e.g., CRI) later deemed it Christian, not a cult. |
Accused of cult-like behavior, especially post-1960s Taylorite factions, for extreme isolation, shunning, and control (e.g., family separations). Examined in media and UK parliamentary inquiries (2010s); no legal bans, but criticisms persist. Group denies cult label. |
Rarely accused; open nature and evangelical ties minimize claims. No significant investigations; viewed as mainstream evangelical. Müller’s orphanage work widely respected, countering any negative perceptions. |
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Thank you so much for posting this. Its crazy how well Grok spots their heresy when you plug in some of the ministry material.
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06-23-2025 12:19 PM |
ThankfulForever777 |
Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Brethren
I wanted to share this comparison table below (generated by AI Grok).
We were taught that the Local Church / Lord’s Recovery was a continuation of the Plymouth Brethren, with the Brethren once representing the Philadelphia church before they declined and that the Lord raised Watchman Nee and Witness Lee to carry on the work.
However, I have learned that the Brethren, under John Nelson Darby’s leadership, evolved into a cult-like group characterized by strict central authority, isolation, and elitism.
It’s now clear to me that the Lord’s Recovery, under Nee and Lee, perpetuates this flawed legacy.
Comparison Table
Comparison of Local Church Movement, Exclusive Brethren, and Open Brethren
Aspect |
Local Church Movement (Nee/Lee) |
Exclusive Brethren |
Open Brethren |
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Leadership |
Centralized under Nee, then Lee; local churches follow “apostolic” leadership from key figures. |
Centralized; led by Darby and successors (e.g., James Taylor Sr./Jr.), with strong oversight. |
Decentralized; local elders lead autonomous assemblies, no central figure. |
Fellowship |
Selective fellowship; open to believers but exclusive to those accepting “one church per city” vision. |
Strict separation from other Christians, including Open Brethren, for doctrinal purity. |
Open fellowship with evangelicals, emphasizing unity on core beliefs. |
Church Governance |
Local churches autonomous but aligned with Nee/Lee’s teachings; centralized oversight by Lee later. |
Interconnected assemblies; decisions (e.g., excommunication) binding globally. |
Independent assemblies; local governance without external control. |
Theological Emphasis |
Modified dispensationalism; emphasis on “God’s economy,” Christ’s indwelling, and one church per city. |
Rigid dispensationalism, premillennialism; focus on ecclesiastical purity, separation. |
Flexible dispensationalism; broader evangelical theology, less dogmatic. |
Worship |
Expressive, with “pray-reading,” calling on the Lord; open to believers but structured by Lee’s model. |
Uniform, simple (breaking bread); restricted to members in fellowship. |
Simple, varied; open to other believers. |
Practices |
Moderately engaged; evangelistic but focused on building local churches, less cooperation with others. |
Insular; limited secular interaction, especially in stricter factions. |
Engaged; active in evangelism, missions, and cooperation with others. |
Missionary Work |
Significant; global expansion under Lee (e.g., U.S., Asia), but primarily to establish local churches. |
Limited; focused on maintaining Brethren communities. |
Extensive; global missions, often with other evangelicals. |
Response to Error |
Strict under Lee; excommunication for opposing “the ministry” or deviating from core teachings. |
Strict discipline; excommunication for error, often extending to associates. |
Lenient; local discipline, emphasis on restoration. |
Key Figures |
Watchman Nee (founder), Witness Lee (successor), with Lee shaping global spread. |
John Nelson Darby, James Taylor Sr./Jr. |
George Müller, Henry Craik, Robert Chapman. |
Historical Event |
Founded 1920s in China; split from denominations; Lee’s leadership post-1952 after Nee’s imprisonment. |
Advocated separation in 1848 Bethesda Controversy over Newton’s teachings. |
Supported inclusivity in 1848 Bethesda Controversy. |
Cult Accusations |
Faced accusations in 1970s–1980s, mainly under Lee, for authoritarian control, exclusivity, and unorthodox theology (e.g., “mingling”). Lawsuits against critics (e.g., Spiritual Counterfeits Project) won by Local Church, affirming orthodoxy. Scholars (e.g., CRI) later deemed it Christian, not a cult. |
Accused of cult-like behavior, especially post-1960s Taylorite factions, for extreme isolation, shunning, and control (e.g., family separations). Examined in media and UK parliamentary inquiries (2010s); no legal bans, but criticisms persist. Group denies cult label. |
Rarely accused; open nature and evangelical ties minimize claims. No significant investigations; viewed as mainstream evangelical. Müller’s orphanage work widely respected, countering any negative perceptions. |
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