Youtube Video - Witness Lee the false apostle: Scripture and History speaks

[TheStarswillFall]

https://youtu.be/Uj8-JX5C_2w?si=52v6Wj3BKk4MRK60

Time codes:

00:00 - Intro...Rev 2:2
00:02:01 - The genuine apostles are...
00:03:56 - Trying (by testing) the false apostles...
00:05:33 - Who are the apostles according to the testimony of Scripture?
00:14:00 - Rev 11's two witnesses...
00:14:54 - W Lee's personal claims to the office of apostleship...
00:19:44 - W Lee seated himself alongside the Pharisees of Matt 23...
00:21:08 - The Seat belongs to Christ alone (Have you not read?)
00:22:19 - The Lord's Recovery has only one centre, and that centre is not Christ...
00:22:07 - The Lord's Recovery is a divisive sect...
00:22:24 - Historic and present indictments against the Lord's Recovery...
00:22:43 - (1) Great effort and promotion to unite the saints around Witness Lee...
00:28:00 - (2) The pressuring on all the saints and all the churches to be conformed to the ministry of W Lee in full uniformity...
00:29:46 - W Lee restricted the saints to his speaking and publications only...
00:30:59 - The fruit of W Lee's ministry - a spiritual yoke of bondage
00:31:48 - (3) W Lee exercising a pervasive control over the churches of the Lord's Recovery...
00:32:19 - Conclusion...

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In a certain sense this speaking is rather formulaic and doctrinal, yet accurate.

There are myriads of other testimonies giving voice to the suffering many saints have endured in the Lord's Recovery as a direct result of the unrighteous, misguided and sinful behaviour of the leadership of the Lord's Recovery over the past 5 decades.

The Lord said: "By their FRUIT you will know them (the false prophets)." The essential marker of a false prophet is bad fruit (not primarily wrong doctrine).

"The verdict is the triumph of the saint who endeavours to discern the false apostles"

[TheStarswillFall]

Part 2: Witness Lee - A self appointed apostle.

https://youtu.be/XNjc_JwqBik?si=ncIzZp5TAgAPY8fq

Video time codes...

00:01 - Intro...
00:36 - Rev 2 - 3: Apostles belong to the initial church age represented by Ephesus...
02:26 - The essence of the true apostle...
02:43 - Back to the significance of the Lord's speaking to the 7 churches in Rev 2 - 3...
03:05 - W Lee's claims to the apostleship...
03:13 - Elders' Training Book 7 Chapter 5 : W Lee appointing himself as the Top Apostle...
08:32 - Elders' Training Book 7 Chapter 7: W Lee appointing himself as the Unique Master Builder...
10:57 - Elders' Training Book 7 Chapter 6: W Lee appointhing himself as the Commander In Chief...
11:27 - Christ or Witness Lee? The Body can only have one Head...
12:15 - Proverbs 12:19: A lie has a short life, but truth lives on forever...
13:17 - The self appointed apostles are the false apostles referred to in Rev 2:2...
14:39 - Proverbs 11:1: A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, But a just weight is His delight.
15:19 - By their fruit you will know them...
15:46 - Conclusion...

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Rev 2
15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans (the teaching of hierarchy).
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

[Unregistered]

https://bibleread.online/all-books-by-Watchman-Nee-and-Witness-Lee/book-elders-training-book-07-one-accord-for-the-lords-move-Witness-Lee-read-online/5/

[TheStarswillFall]

Witness Lee spoke perverted things to secure a following (Acts 20:30)

Video: https://youtu.be/xzvqEAQ9-HU?si=qEuy23PmnTsSBPkM

Video time codes:

0:00 - Jesus's pattern in dealing with the hypocritical religious leaders of His day
0:56 - The grandiose claims of W Lee
01:22 - Elders' Training Book 7 Chapter 5
02:42 - Acts 20:30
04:10 - Matt 24:4-5
04:53 - Twisting Scripture
06:44 - Rev 2:2
07:10 - A system of error

Chapters 5, 6 and 7 of Elders' Training Book 7 are extraordinary examples of how Witness Lee spoke perverted things and twisted Scripture to gain a following. Jesus warned about this very thing in Matt 24:4-5 and so did Paul in Acts 20:30

[TheStarswillFall]

Witness Lee endorsed the signing of a document by 400+ leading brothers in the Lord's Recovery (1986?) wherein absolute subjection to Lee's ministry was demanded for the apparent preservation of oneness among the Lord’s people. This is heretical. The saints in the Lord's Recovery are in bondage to W Lee's ministry, and this signed document is a RELIC of their bondage. This bondage is part of what Paul describes as a SYSTEM OF ERROR when Chrit's Headship is violated.

Matt 23: 1-12 is one of the most valuable portions of Scripture to hold on to. Self appointment and self-exultation are the essential markers of corrupted leadership among the Lord's people. The Pharisees seated themselves in Moses's seat, in other words, they were self appointed (to a place of spiritual authority). They also loved the places of honour and to be called 'rabbi' by men, in other words, they lusted after the recognition and exultation of man (wrt their spiritual office).

Christ admonished his apostles not to be called 'rabbi' or father or instructor, because that place (seat) is uniquely reserved for Christ (and the Father). He who exults himself will be humbled.

In the series of the Elders Training (Book 7) W Lee appointed himself to be (1) the top apostle (2) the unique master builder of God's building (3) the commander and chief of the church as God's army. All of these claims were self assuming.

10 years later W Lee said in "A Word of Love" that he never called himself an apostle! Furthermore, Witness Lee testified under oath that he did not consider himself to be an apostle. Rev 2:2 mentions the lies of the self-appointed apostles, and the saints’ responsibilty to test and discern any claims to the apostolic office.

“And you have found them to be false.”

[bearbear]

Jesus talked about sheep, goats and wolves. Goats do their own thing and don't bother anyone but wolves need to be pointed out because they are a danger to the sheep. By the way, goats and wolves do not belong to the Shepherd but only the sheep belong to Jesus and are saved.

John 10:27-28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Matthew 7:15-20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Was Witness Lee a wolf? When you compare the fruit of Witness Lee's life to 2 Peter 2:14-20 it seems to fit like a glove. Compare this testimony of Witness Lee to the passage by Peter


Testimony of Treasurer - Don Hardy email

"It “started” with DayStar. WL gave the appearance that “everything was o.k.”, that what he wanted to do was “ALL” for the “Lord”; but, underneath (this is a fact, and past history), there were the children to care for, especially Timothy.

I had heard that in the FarEast, WL had tried to do this “business venture thing” at least 2-3 other times. (My mother-in-law did some “research” with missionaries from the Far East, and found out). I BLAME the dear dear Chinese saints in Elden, who were from the FE, because they KNEW better (they knew brother!!), and they not only “not touched it”, they kept QUIET with any of us saints from America about those business ventures, and let us ALL go ahead and “walk down the primrose path!!”

I believe I told you about the Elders’ Mtng later (about 8-10 mos?) after Daystar (WL had already moved to Orange Co., and we had already built the mtng hall, so I may have my timing off): It was a LARGE Mtng (bros. had flown in), and WL was sitting up-front in “the captain’s chair”. John Smith of San Diego, asked him something like this: “WHAT happened with Daystar, WL? Soooo many saints are still suffering. Somehow we have to pay them$$ back” WL’s answer: something like this (I’ll “never” forget): “They have lost their v*rginity”.

Dick Taylor was very perplexed, and asked: ”Why, WL, what on earth do you mean?!!” “Well bros. when the saints first came into Elden Hall, in the “early days” they were all somewhat pure virgins, WHOLLY for the LORD, seeking the Lord, wanting only the Lord. But over Daystar, so many LOST their virginity, they lost their first love. (They got mixed). Dick (or someone else) said, HOW did that happen WL? WL said, they were (all) SEDUCED, they lost their virginity!” And there were MANY brothers there, but NOT one asked, “WHO did the seducing, WL?” I did not ask publicly, but I asked (and was answered) within me! "Why, the "little precious man" sitting right in front of us, IS THE MAN who seduced us all!!"

When Witness Lee was at Elden, right at the height of Daystar, I was a "board-member" with JohnI & Bill M. In fact I did most of the banking. And WL would SWITCH accounts & $$ so much from one bank to another, that I alerted Samuel Chang: "S, do you know what $$Laundering is? I'm afraid that WL is laundering $$, without knowing it!" (I believe, though, he did know!). SC told WL. I resigned from the board, and SC told me I was "in trouble" with WL, that I had gotten on his "bad side" or something like that... that I had better shape up! (Ha!)"

Issit, Steve. Deviating from the Path in the Lord’s Recovery. p. 17.


Peter 2:14-20
14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children!

15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,

16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved.

18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.

19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

[Unregistered]

The question I just got to ask anyone and everyone who still believes and follows Witness Lee and his deranged theology, is this:

How many lies does a man can say, before you would consider everything that he says totally corrupt?

Here are the top 5 lies he spoke and we have plenty of quotes to prove it:

1. The church was lost and defeated in the first century. LIE
2. He was an “oracle” who spoke for God for half a century. LIE
3. He was commissioned to recover the lost church. LIE
4. Only his speaking and ministry is legit. LIE
5. Only those who belong to his cult are the true church. LIE

Those things alone, should want to run far away from this group, but I guess it’s not enough for most who are stuck in this cult to break free. Those 5 things alone are why I’m no longer associated with this cult, I hope many more will find a way out.

[Nell]

This is the "text only" posted on the old Bereans Forum. I don't have a .pdf copy with signatures. I've added paragraphing for easier reading and bold text emphasis.

Letter of Allegiance

Dear Brother Lee,
After hearing your fellowship in this elders' training, we all agree to have a new start in the Lord's recovery.

For this, we all agree to be in one accord and to carry out this new move of the Lord solely through prayer, the Spirit, and the Word. We further agree to practice the recovery one in: teaching, practice, thinking, speaking, essence, appearance, and expression.

We repudiate all differences among the churches, and all indifference toward the ministry office, and the other churches. We agree that the church in our place be identical with all the local churches throughout the earth. We also agree to follow your leading as the one who has brought us God's New Testament economy and has led us into its practice.

We agree that this leading is indispensable to our oneness and acknowledge the one trumpet in the Lord's ministry and the one wise master builder among us

We further agree to practice the church life in our locality absolutely in a new way: to build the church in, through, and based upon home meetings; to lead every member to get used to functioning without any idea to depend on any giant speakers; to teach all the saints to know the basic truths in an educational way that they may teach others for the spreading of the truth; to build up the saints in the growth in life that they may minister life to others, shepherd each other, and take care of the backsliding ones; to lead all the saints to preach the gospel in every possible way; to avoid leadership as much as possible; and to have home gatherings for nurturing the saints in life; and big meetings for educating the saints in truths.

We agree that all the preceding points are the clear and definite teaching of the Bible according to God's New Testament economy. Finally, we agree that the success of this new move is our responsibility and will rise up to labor and endeavor with our whole being, looking to the Lord for His mercy and grace that we would be faithful to the end.

Your brothers for the Lord's recovery,


This has been stated before, but to reemphasize, is there any doubt that this undated letter is an "oath" to Witness Lee? Regarding oaths:

Matthew 5:33-37
“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’
34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[a]

James 5:12
12 But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation.